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1 Piano Violin Acoustic type on Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:49 pm

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NEW BEAT:
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8628198

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course demo and wud love to get constructive feeds. tried to keep it simple for
rappers. dedicating this to all the victims and survivors of the Haiti
Earthquake. Deep condolences and prayers for all the souls.

I know the piano pattern in the 3rd verse sounds "happy"..but I guess that verse wud be more optimistic for that haha...

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2 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:07 pm

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listening to it right now. the beat definitely invokes a sad feeling. That part you got it right.
Now the person who gonna deliver the rhymes over it does not have the same effect with his vocals/lyrics, thats just gonna spoil it.

just a quick pointer, maybe u could mix the violins at certain parts to be a little bit more mellow, its pretty sharp to the ear in a negative way. I dont know what sound packs you are using, but the piano still sounds very midi bro, you could cmoothen that out a little as well, and if possible, dont quantize it too tightly, let it loose a little. If you have a good tube compressor run the pianos through it.

The direction is right though. I cant comment 100% cause this is definitely unfinished right? Also, if you were to get someone to rhyme on it, and then work furthur on the arrangement, then I'd have a clearer picture. But for now, its definitely a sadness invoking beat, not a sad beat.

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3 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:15 am

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Ah! thanks so much man! I will never chat with flo again while making a beat lol. Everytime I do that, my beats sound retarded lol. Well, it's more or less done. so I will jst finissh it with ur suggestions. Yeah, I did notice thatt second verse cello sounds loud and raw. I am having extremely hard time with the chorus tho haha. So I jst left it simple and interpretive u know. also I made the piano patterns first lol (that's when I was talking to flo lmao) so yh as u can see I attempted to loosely join the rather random and happy piano melody at the end haha. I'll jst work on transitions and fx as well as ur suggestions Smile

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4 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:20 am

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I'm using edirol piano.. I'll let it loose even more then and make it soun better i guess. A rapper friend of mine is gonna use it. He is the type with a lot of aggressive emotions so I think he'll be able to do justice to the feeling of the beat

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5 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:54 am

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yeh justice to the beat. thats why im very picky with who i work with. Edirol piano, oh dear.. you've got to update yourself. What host are you on?

I've got tons of pianos, at least 15 - 20 gigs worth of it. If u've got a fast connection i might be able to hook you up with one, if the timing is right.

I've got a seriously massive sound library. somewhere near 400-500 dvds worth, and about 5-6 hard drives each at least 250gig, largest being 1tb. Sometimes having too much is a problem also as i get lost with choices. I used to use Edirol's Hypercanvas/Orchestral (I assume ur using those?) several years back.

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6 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:08 am

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lol yep...it's Edirol. I still use FL Studio as my DAW. I tried Reason..stilll not good at it at all.. (well i dont even got a midi keyboard at my college with me..so FL studio is the only thing that I can literally use).

r they in "VSTI" format?? I have 3 gbs of Reason Pianos with me..but unfortunately i can't even use Reason lol.

I'd really appreciate it if u can send me sum in vsti format or soundfont (swf) stuff. i also got Nexus plug in....do u've good stuff for that vsti? I'll be good if u cud jst send me more acoustic piano stuff (no need of the electronic ones and all the wierd sounding ones that comes with huge packagees haha0

Do u know of any really good vsti? I can try to torrent it myself too...I thought of East West Colossues..but that thing is too big for me to download for at lesat now haha.

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7 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:05 pm

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East West Colossus is pretty large, I'll look through my archive and see whats suitable. There is one vsti which is pretty small, about 100+ megs, but the piano quality is pretty awesome. For the life of me i cant recall its name.

I used to have alot of soundfonts, but i've not used them in a long time as the soundbanks hardly come in sf2 format.

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8 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:13 am

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thanks man! if u can remember, then please let me know! I worked with Logic Pro b4 and only its piano sounds totally legit. I hate Reason Pianos too.

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9 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:14 pm

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Fiq: I just downloaded "PIanissimo"...here's how it sounds like..I jst started making this totally randomly..spent 10 minutes total lol.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8646096

does this piano sounds any better u think?

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10 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:35 pm

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I'll take a listen later. My ears are totally wasted. I havent slept in about 30 hours.
Im putting off from hearing anything at the moment. I wont be able to differentiate a fart from a burp.

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11 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:35 am

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damn! haha take ur time man. jst check when u can! well actually I jst uploaded a new version and put sum random vocals I found on FL packs...Idk why i did that lol..it jst sounded sorta cool i guess...but here it is:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/zzfd2y

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12 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:05 pm

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bro..I'm "done" with the beat. I am never satisfied with the sound..but can't do much about it..it's FL Studio haha. For this beat, I used multiband compressor, EQUO (equalizer), a regular compressor, stereo enhancer, parametric eQ and bass boost (where appropriate) to the master mixer to "mix" the beat..but nothing really gives the quality sound of Reason or Logic Pro u know.

There's a mini studio in my college where I go down sometimes to work with some rappers or better producers than me haha. I guess it's a decent studio for free. Here's a link if u wanna check out the specs of the studio:

http://www.lib.unc.edu/house/mrc/pages/mediaLab/audioStudios.html

So once I made some random improv and made a piano solo in ten minutes without doing any mixing at all and jst rendered/bounced the track instantly....it's sound quality is better than even my best ever mixed beat lol.

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13 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:45 pm

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This piano does sound a little bit better, but still sounding too midi though. Im sorry man im very harsh with my criticisms on sounds. This piano/edirol, would be alright it the element was sitting far back in the soundscape but something prominent needs a vsti that has a bigger dynamic range. The midi notes, did u quantize it ? it might help a little with manual offsetting rather than using the quantize function on your arranging software.

AKProductions wrote:Fiq: I just downloaded "PIanissimo"...here's how it sounds like..I jst started making this totally randomly..spent 10 minutes total lol.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8646096

does this piano sounds any better u think?

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14 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:51 pm

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AKProductions wrote:bro..I'm "done" with the beat. I am never satisfied with the sound..but can't do much about it..it's FL Studio haha. For this beat, I used multiband compressor, EQUO (equalizer), a regular compressor, stereo enhancer, parametric eQ and bass boost (where appropriate) to the master mixer to "mix" the beat..but nothing really gives the quality sound of Reason or Logic Pro u know.

Its not the amount of fxs, compressors, expanders u put into the track. U got to know the what each of them do. You might overcompress certain sounds, and as the track progresses the same element may not be uniform.

I agree some programs like Reason has a bigger headroom, but that also depends on your soundcard that you're using, and the driver. If you are solely depending on your inbuilt sound card, I recommend you get ASIO drivers for the card. ASIO drivers will give you a much less latency time and better quality to your sound.

Also, you might want to search for some mixing/sound engineering tutorials from Berklee's college of music..there are some floating online...

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15 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:15 am

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fiquetional wrote:This piano does sound a little bit better, but still sounding too midi though. Im sorry man im very harsh with my criticisms on sounds. This piano/edirol, would be alright it the element was sitting far back in the soundscape but something prominent needs a vsti that has a bigger dynamic range. The midi notes, did u quantize it ? it might help a little with manual offsetting rather than using the quantize function on your arranging software.

AKProductions wrote:Fiq: I just downloaded "PIanissimo"...here's how it sounds like..I jst started making this totally randomly..spent 10 minutes total lol.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8646096

does this piano sounds any better u think?

aah yeah i know wat u mean. i manually drew the notes out with my mouse (no actual midi keyboard involved..jst made up the tunes as i drew the notes out lol). So yeah, i didn't strictly quantize it. I made it loose after u said..but i guess it's not enough for ur taste hehe. :p I also manually edited the velocity of the individual notes too.

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16 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:17 am

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AKProductions wrote:bro..I'm "done" with the beat. I am never satisfied with the sound..but can't do much about it..it's FL Studio haha. For this beat, I used multiband compressor, EQUO (equalizer), a regular compressor, stereo enhancer, parametric eQ and bass boost (where appropriate) to the master mixer to "mix" the beat..but nothing really gives the quality sound of Reason or Logic Pro u know.

Its not the amount of fxs, compressors, expanders u put into the track. U got to know the what each of them do. You might overcompress certain sounds, and as the track progresses the same element may not be uniform.

I agree some programs like Reason has a bigger headroom, but that also depends on your soundcard that you're using, and the driver. If you are solely depending on your inbuilt sound card, I recommend you get ASIO drivers for the card. ASIO drivers will give you a much less latency time and better quality to your sound.

Also, you might want to search for some mixing/sound engineering tutorials from Berklee's college of music..there are some floating online...

ahh thanks for all the help bro. I really appreciate them. Yeah, I think i overcrowded the effects..but I just do them by ears u know..and jst go with what sounds best in my headphone lol. I spend like ten minutes if too much to 'mix'. I dont really know exactly in details of what each one does though..but hv vague understanding to how it will make it sound..so I can see the frquencies/effects colliding with each other in the process. Yeah I do have ASIO driver but never set it up..lol..too lazy to read the manual and change it and all..but since u said it's worth doing, I'll look into that too.

I think u shared that resource with me before.>..I'll definitely take a look into that again later. thanks again for all ur suggestions! i really appreciate them. Smile

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17 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:26 am

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Its not about my taste. You ought to look at it from a different perspective, Ie, fluid playing of the piano or someone just hitting single notes or drawing them out on the midi notation board. Trust me, I've done this, thats why I know. Which is why i got myself a 49 key midi trigger unit keyboard (semi weighted). At least you'll have SOME form of fluidity with that.

Not only velocity, theres aftertouch and a host of other midi functionality thats harder to capture by just drawing it.

Don't be deflated by my comment. Its just an insight. Besides, theres always more than one way of doing something. Chill yeah Smile

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18 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:55 am

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oh no, I meant "taste" in a different connotation I guess than u thought I did. I meant to say ur level of expertise at music I guess. I totally can see where you are coming from though, and I truly appreciate ur tips. I was just trying to say that my music isn't really at that level or I don't have high expectations for my beats myself to make it sound more professional at this point..Idk if it makes any better sense haha. My beats r still totally amateurish sounding and never really thought of spending time to take it to the next level where all your valuable (and universally true) inputs would have applicable u know. But it's not a big deal..i just dont wanna give u a wrong impression that I'm saying u've an inflated taste or watever...sorry if it sounded like that.

yeah u r totally right abt the differences in the sounds which will sound different if it was jst drawn like I did with my mouse and laptop keyboard lol....not that I had another option or anything. When I listen to the recordings I did in the studio and then listen to one I made using my laptop...I can hear a much richer sound and depth of the instruments with a better surrounded feeling, hammer, resonance and other things u mentioned.

anyway, we kind of had a really grave conversation than we had to...hehe. sorry again if I came out a little bit arrogant or stubborn. I didn't mean anything by saying u've a different taste haha. once again, I truly appreciate ur inputs. I've taken notes on all the suggestions u gave me abt Asio, mixing and etc.

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19 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:58 pm

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chill man. nothings grave:) its all good fun. at least its engaging discussion and not some mindless bollocks.

dont worry man. u didnt offend me nor imply anything negative towards me. i dont take offence at intellectual discourse, only those gay ass comments piss me off. Even then, not seriously. heh heh heh.

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20 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:18 pm

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Lol

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21 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:07 am

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is dis da same beat u sent me? if yes den itz awesum!!

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22 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:04 am

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haha yeah. thanks man.

here's the updated link for soundclick...sorry I had to take it off for a while:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8655797

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23 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:55 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIYuZgiAmW0

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24 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:55 pm

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YO AK WATS WIT THE WEAK DRUMS AND BAD LAYERING MAN!!!....

get it cracking man....u rep AK''Productions'' and u try to schoool dudes on mixing and shit..but nigga ur mixing is baaad son...get it cracking foo...i juss heard ur beats n shit..u dont deserve 2 talk 2 dese cats the way u do...i dont mean no offence but u gown take it offensive but seriously man...till u please my ears i wont giv u no props...n ima laff at u trynta school dese boys acting great wen ur own work isnt great enuf ya digg...out...its all music truth helps u grow bigger...say fuck u to the dick riders...out

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25 Re: Piano Violin Acoustic type on Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:16 am

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wow, big disappointment. lol from the way you talk and pick on little details of dude's tracks on this forum ak you act as if you're already at some 9th wonder status or dj premier type stuff, but you put out stuff like this? No i think you need to step your game up a lot higher before making the comments you do lol!

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